Major oof- thanks for the heads up, friend.

For those who are having concerns about Denuvo Anticheat, know that even if you uninstall it that crap may still leave some leftovers on your system. My antivirus blocked it, removed the operational system service but I still had to manually remove some folders and the "add or remove programs" entry on Windows registry.
Here's what it could still leave on your systems:
https://support.codefusion.technology/anti-cheat/?l=ru&s=ac&e=3

Originally posted by Direita Xucra:

For those who are having concerns about Denuvo Anticheat, know that even if you uninstall it that crap may still leave some leftovers on your system. My antivirus blocked it, removed the operational system service but I still had to manually remove some folders and the "add or remove programs" entry on Windows registry.
Here's what it could still leave on your systems:
https://support.codefusion.technology/anti-cheat/?l=ru&s=ac&e=3

Awesome, thanks for the link. I managed to pause the update before it finished, thankfully.

just uninstalled thankx

So glad I didn't pay for this game. Would have already been mad about the bethesda.net account, but now they're adding rootkit security issues into your system. No thanks.

Sue Denuvo.

Originally posted by Silverhand:

As the title said,the new Denuvo Anti-Cheat added has kernel access.

If you're not familiar with that term,kernel level is the highest level of access priority a program can get on your computer,any program with that level of access has full control over the entierety of your OS and your computer.
To put it simply,this is a MAJOR security concern for you,as even if Denuvo has no malicious intents whatsoever,a security breach would still mean that someone else could have full control over your computer.

That's why I recommend uninstalling Doom Eternal right now in order to ensure the security of your machine.
I know it's not a pleasant solution,I love the game too,but that is just both too dangerous and completely unacceptable,and you should never allow anything access to kernel level without your express and direct consent

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

But it's cute how many armchair cybersecurity experts come out of the woodwork when they smell herd mentality outrage culture in the air.

Originally posted by Batman:

a bad driver can ♥♥♥ up your system its been proven many times, this game doesn't need an anticheat like that... mp is trash no one play it

Again, your statement makes no technical sense.

Secondarily, MP is plenty active.

Thirdly, with Invasion mode on the horizon, anticheat - and strong anticheat at that - is a must-have.

Originally posted by Batman:

strong anticheat that will be bypassed on day one :D

nobody cares of mp...

this is not dark souls

If it takes skill and time to bypass, that's worth it. As of yesterday, any script kiddie with a hex editor could hack their way to fame and fortune in multiplayer. If now they need to borrow mommy and daddy's credit card and spend an extra few hours getting it to work, that slows them down, reduces the total amount of hackers, and overall makes the game better.

Define "nobody". The same nobody that's kept the Doom (2016) community going for over four years despite "nobody" playing it, and "nobody" liking it?

Yeah, you're not talking sense.

Originally posted by Salamand3r-:

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

But it's cute how many armchair cybersecurity experts come out of the woodwork when they smell herd mentality outrage culture in the air.

Can you offer an explanation of why this is not a concern? I am far from knowledgeable on the topic, but it seems that after looking up a bit on info, running a program with kernel level access (?) would be a serious security problem. Is the DAC not running in Ring 0 (?), or am I misunderstanding something about operating systems?

Yeah I wanna know too Salaman3r, I noticed you jumping into a number of threads, and I'd like a little insight on where you're coming from on the matter too.

Originally posted by Evil:

Originally posted by Salamand3r-:

That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works.

But it's cute how many armchair cybersecurity experts come out of the woodwork when they smell herd mentality outrage culture in the air.

Can you offer an explanation of why this is not a concern? I am far from knowledgeable on the topic, but it seems that after looking up a bit on info, running a program with kernel level access (?) would be a serious security problem. Is the DAC not running in Ring 0 (?), or am I misunderstanding something about operating systems?

Let's be perfectly clear here - antivirus has kernel-mode drivers. A lot of stuff does. Even a lot of pro audio software used to.

It's generally faster, and it lets the software detect or intercept other things that are directly modifying memory - like common cheat software.

Something having a kernel-mode driver doesn't mean that it magically has access to everything on your PC.

Again, people keep talking about Kaspersky - which literally has a kernel-mode driver, and has been convincingly linked to actual Russian government spying. And you don't see "cybersecurity experts" or actual cybersecurity experts freaking out - because that doesn't inherently mean it has access to everything.

Yes, it is running in "ring 0", but that wikipedia definition is oversimplified. There are still checks in place, and it doesn't have the kind of access that people think it does.

It's also worth noting, since that idiot linked a highly theoretical wiki, Windows only has two rings - user and admin.

DAC just runs in admin mode, like any number of other pieces of software - that it's a kernel-mode driver isn't really all that relevant except that it may be more prone to crashes. That's one reason Microsoft moved sound drivers out of that part of the OS.

Originally posted by Salamand3r-:

Originally posted by Evil:

Can you offer an explanation of why this is not a concern? I am far from knowledgeable on the topic, but it seems that after looking up a bit on info, running a program with kernel level access (?) would be a serious security problem. Is the DAC not running in Ring 0 (?), or am I misunderstanding something about operating systems?

Let's be perfectly clear here - antivirus has kernel-mode drivers. A lot of stuff does. Even a lot of pro audio software used to.

It's generally faster, and it lets the software detect or intercept other things that are directly modifying memory - like common cheat software.

Something having a kernel-mode driver doesn't mean that it magically has access to everything on your PC.

Again, people keep talking about Kaspersky - which literally has a kernel-mode driver, and has been convincingly linked to actual Russian government spying. And you don't see "cybersecurity experts" or actual cybersecurity experts freaking out - because that doesn't inherently mean it has access to everything.

Yes, it is running in "ring 0", but that wikipedia definition is oversimplified. There are still checks in place, and it doesn't have the kind of access that people think it does.

Doesn't matter. It's Denuvo. Software that has fried peoples rigs in the past along with giving a massive FPS loss for no reason. A piece of software many gamers vehemently hate and don't want on their machine. A piece of software that will cause refunds and uninstalls.

Literally none of this is an overaction. It's telling Bethseda, ID, whoever. That this ♥♥♥♥ isn't wanted.

Originally posted by Chaos Epoch:

Originally posted by Salamand3r-:

Let's be perfectly clear here - antivirus has kernel-mode drivers. A lot of stuff does. Even a lot of pro audio software used to.

It's generally faster, and it lets the software detect or intercept other things that are directly modifying memory - like common cheat software.

Something having a kernel-mode driver doesn't mean that it magically has access to everything on your PC.

Again, people keep talking about Kaspersky - which literally has a kernel-mode driver, and has been convincingly linked to actual Russian government spying. And you don't see "cybersecurity experts" or actual cybersecurity experts freaking out - because that doesn't inherently mean it has access to everything.

Yes, it is running in "ring 0", but that wikipedia definition is oversimplified. There are still checks in place, and it doesn't have the kind of access that people think it does.

Doesn't matter. It's Denuvo. Software that has fried peoples rigs in the past along with giving a massive FPS loss for no reason. A piece of software many gamers vehemently hate and don't want on their machine. A piece of software that will cause refunds and uninstalls.

Literally none of this is an overaction. It's telling Bethseda, ID, whoever. That this ♥♥♥♥ isn't wanted.

Then in that case, you're still wrong, and here's why -

First, Denuvo - the one people have experience with, not the new DAC - has been in the game since launch.

Second, Denuvo has never fried computers in any widespread way. But, just FYI, nVidia driver updates have, several times. So have some Windows updates.

We objectively know it doesn't harm performance in Eternal. A Denuvo-free exe was also leaked at launch. No difference. No difference in Doom (2016) either, nor in almost any game except when poorly implemented.

People vehemently hate it because of disinformation spread on hives of human filth like reddit.

Maybe it will, maybe it won't. People uninstall and refund Doom for not having solid Christian moral messages too, doesn't mean they should be catered to.

A great game that I removed the second I heard about it having kernel access. Didn't even let it install, just saw it in the patch notes and decided that was it. And Steam refused my request for a refund.